mcc
(replying to rf)
@rf @whitequark @hikari Maybe, but also what I think about a lot is that one of the biggest barriers to making a new language is building a library ecosystem. Like the libraries are at least half of why I want to use Rust or TypeScript.
If I ever do a language project enough it's likely to be built on top of Rust in some way that reuses the ABI just so I don't ever have to learn or expect anyone else to learn a new library ecosystem again.
Iwasawa 🌟 (one hikari of too many)
(replying to mcc)
@mcc @rf @whitequark decoupling the ABI from C would solve so many problems
Iwasawa 🌟 (one hikari of too many)
(replying to Iwasawa 🌟 (one hikari of too many))
@mcc @rf @whitequark or rather decoupling ABI from languages generally. i want a universal cross-language native interface definition format
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Erin 💽✨
(replying to Iwasawa 🌟 (one hikari of too many))
@hikari @mcc @rf @whitequark blank stare approximately once every decade someone reinvents Microsoft COM
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Iwasawa 🌟 (one hikari of too many)
(replying to Erin 💽✨)
@erincandescent @rf @mcc @whitequark i was considering mentioning COM actually. i was also thinking about WinRT
Erin 💽✨
(replying to Erin 💽✨)
@hikari @mcc @rf @whitequark And don’t get me wrong. COM is a great idea
Its also a terrible lowest-common-denominator thing almost by definition.
Erin 💽✨
(replying to Erin 💽✨)
@hikari @mcc @rf @whitequark Fun fact of the day: Did you know that IUnknown made its way into CoreFoundation?
Its used as the backend for CFPlugin
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Iwasawa 🌟 (one hikari of too many)
(replying to Erin 💽✨)
@erincandescent @rf @mcc @whitequark …what???
Iwasawa 🌟 (one hikari of too many)
(replying to Iwasawa 🌟 (one hikari of too many))
@erincandescent @rf @mcc @whitequark okay tbf IUnknown is pretty minimal and i suppose they can't put a dependency on core foundation or libobjc inside core foundation
Erin 💽✨
(replying to Erin 💽✨)
@hikari @mcc @rf @whitequark (I think this one will amuse Hikari most of all)
Jordan
(replying to Iwasawa 🌟 (one hikari of too many))
@hikari @mcc @rf @whitequark I keep playing with writing down a syntax for it and then get bogged down when I realize the most interesting thing would be enums/ADTs. Though maybe what Rust picked for repr(C) enums is close enough.
Jordan
(replying to Jordan)
@hikari @mcc @rf @whitequark LLVM is nearly this except where it isn’t at all. WASM is sort of this except it’s not actually native; it’s just easier to target than the JVM or CLR.
Iwasawa 🌟 (one hikari of too many)
(replying to Jordan)
@jrose @mcc @rf @whitequark llvm is extremely not this in practice. wasm is maybe our only hope